Ranching Full-Time on 3 Hours A Day and Farm Internships with Cody Holmes

Cody Holmes author of Ranching Full Time on 3 Hours a Day joins us to talk marketing and farm internships.

Missouri rancher Cody Holmes

Cody Holmes


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Info about farm internships and Cody Holmes:

Real Farm Foods Cody Holmes Ranch Website

Cody’s Blog – http://www.holisticsystemsforstockmen.net

Ranching full-time on three hours a day – Cody’s Book

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  • Chris, am I the only one who finds fault with the positioning that “we only farm 3 hours a day” but our free slave labor (interns) are up pulling weeds at 6am……..

    Am I the only one who thinks that unpaid internships should be banned period??

    Chris…..what is this intern/apprenticeship supposed to live on for 3 years while working for free (9.10)

    • ChrisStelzer

      Dean,
      I see your points and after the Mark Shepard interview I gained new insight into the reality of internships. However, I think its a double edged sword.

      I got a small ($200/month) stipend at Greg Judy’s. I also got free housing, utilities and they also gave us meat, milk and eggs. Over that 5 month period I easily lived on the $200/month. However, I had no car, no health insurance and my wife was working back in Colorado to support herself and some of our other expenses like phone, car etc. I didn’t really get paid anything but I learned so much that I felt confident to go start my own grazing operation. Can you put a price on that? I don’t know. Overall I felt it was fair for that situation.

      However, I could see, depending on the situation how interns could be taken advantage of. I don’t know if this is the case at Cody’s ranch, but Cody is a standup guy and a good guy so I cant see him taking advantage of these interns.

      I’ve heard horror stories from people who have done “internships” on other farms or ranches. Interns need to be careful about where they intern and talk with past interns to really understand how it works.

      But, I think it would be VERY hard for small family farmers to compete without cheap/free labor. We don’t have cheap labor in this country anymore. So, this is a real sticking point that needs to be addressed.

      I also appreciate Cody being open and honest about all of this.

      • Yep I agree Cody certainly isn’t the only offering unpaid internships…….doesn’t make it right…..but he’s not the only one.

        • ChrisStelzer

          Doing what?

  • Greg Schwab

    Hey Chris the music is a nice touch. Liked what Cody had to say . Nice job .Thanks Greg

    • ChrisStelzer

      Thanks Greg, glad you enjoyed it. It was good seeing you the other day

  • Russell

    Dean,
    I would suggest looking at it through a different perspective. It the interns are not gaining any value out of the internship, then why do it? They are not forced into the internship and therefore are not necessarily being abused by the system. Compensation comes in many other forms besides money. Chris mentioned several forms of compensation which he received during his internship. For a reputable program, the interns exchange manual labor for practical real world knowledge than can lead the to a profitable future if they properly utilize their knowledge. I do think it is fair to ban unpaid internships. I don’t think it is prudent to only view paper currency as payment. I paid $80,000 for my college education and walked away with a respectable degree and diploma. Interns have the potential of walking away without any debt and a vast knowledge base. Nothing is better than on the job training. Sadly, our society will generally not respect their knowledge the same way that the do my degree, but if the have the entrepreneurial spirit, then they will likely succeed regardless.
    -Russell

    • ChrisStelzer

      Russell,

      I think you bring up some very good points, especially when you relate that back to a college education. The problem after internships is often a lack of access to money to get started.

      I always felt my internships were good for both parties involved. The level of knowledge I gained could not have come from any other experiences. I also saved a lot of money before doing the internships and was comfortable financially during that year long period. The hardest part has been after the internship, financially and getting started.

  • stephen brass

    Chris, How does Cody keep his goats/ sheep/ chickens inside his “smaller one wire hi tensile paddocks” . I must have missed that

    • ChrisStelzer

      Stephen,

      I think he uses multiple strands of polywire or electric netting.